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Geez, I have not been updating the site for a while but that doesn't mean I'm missing in action. It's just that I have been busy...
... busy with so many things! Over the last few months, have done a lot of cooking, baking, have carried out lots of home improvement projects (to word it nicely, I fixed a couple of water leaking issues in the house), built a few wooden racks, trellis for the garden... and lots more. Err, sounds like I have been domesticated!
Anyway, out of sight does not mean out of mind. I still listen to music, I still build stuffs. It's just that the way monica is at the moment, there isn't much we could do now. I mean we could carry out some modifications here and there, but these likely will only result in incremental improvements. As I'm no cable lover, I want big jumps in sonics! Not teeny weeny, "let's listen to it AB again if we could detect a difference".
But even for a 16 bit DAC chip, TDA1545 is still very capable today, as shown in this Old but Gold article. Feed it higher sampled material and it won't disappoint you, as long as it's 16 bit. Hey, it can even take in 384kHz sampled material! As explained in the article, you need higher sampled material, not more bits.
But these days, the marketing folks have you believe you need 24 bit. In fact, there are also 32 bit DACs. So 16 bit is no longer in vogue. Makes you feel like your digital system is not complete if you have "less bits". It's like you feel inadequate without the latest Ipad or Iphone. Damn those marketing folks!
To be honest, while 24 bit is touted as "better", more attention got to be paid to the power supply as noise could easily overwhelm the last few bits. [Why aren't more folks talking about this?] Many years ago, the late John Camille did a presentation at a Vacuum State of the Art Conference meet on the subject of noise and shared this excellent info which I have taken the liberty to show here.
Note that unless your system noise is way below 100uV, at best you could only hear up to 16 bit (more likely worse!) even though you are using your state of the art 24 bit or 32 bit DAC. Note that even Mr Camille says >23 bit is GOD's DOMAIN.
That said, I'm no match for the marketing crowd! So if you can't beat the crowd, join them right? So I have a look at 24 bit DACs. Most do not interest me. The ones that do interest me cost too much. I simply can't justify spending >USD30 for a DAC chip [later though, my perspective has changed somewhat].
However couple months ago, CKL on the forum pointed this 6moons review of the TotalDac. As I just glanced through, I thought it was using industrial DAC chips for audio purpose [yeah, stupid me]. It was only later when I reread the review, I realized it's a discrete DAC! Built using ladder resistors! Interesting!
I did some more reading and got some help here. Sonic Illusion's Tom Browne has been a great help. His page here has sufficient info for you to whip up your own discrete DAC but like all things audio, the devil is in the details. Tom is also working on his production discrete DAC - Sunrise, so you have off-the-shelf options other than the TotalDac.
Alright, after all this talk, so did I get one working? Here's my mock up.
Obviously, it's quite messy! Still, the concept works. From a 1kHz WAV file, I could scope out a 1kHz sine wave at the DAC. Nice! Note that Black Crow as shown above, is not used at all.
Next step, is to make it stereo and solve a few more other problems before we have a stereo DAC. Long way to go but it's a start!
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For example, the LAVRY DA2002, dCS, and MSBs of the world are all using similar technology to converting series of bits into music.
These manufacturers produce the finest DACs on the market, albeit all at stratospheric price levels.
By the way the Totaldac is not among the cheapest stuff you can get
Interesting to see what you will come up with.
Take care and keep up the good work.
Jean-Paul.
thx for completing the list! obviously i don't know much about commercial stuffs.
i hope to have something to listen soon... we'll see...
yeo
Bonjour Yeo,
I own (beside Monica
What you are working on is really interesting, but I can tell you the expectations are very high.
Jean-Paul.
the pcb is almost done but the biggest problem i have right now is getting the resistors.
best tolerance resistors we could get now is 0.01%. 0805 smd cost usd6 each!
but even at 0.01% tolerance, this is only good for 14 bit (1/10000). and we need at least 48 resistors per channel!
so i could understand why it's so expensive. getting the resistors is already a killer!
yeo
I know that companies such as MSB Tech and dCS have the resistor ladders they use in their DACS trimmed specifically for them.
Vincent Briand (the Totadac's designers) claims he uses Vishay Foil 0.01% resistors, may be the same as the ones you mention.
We are far off the Monica prices
Would be interested in listening at your stuff
Cheers.
Jean-Paul.
do you mean do i sell the pcb? sorry, no intention for doing this at all.
the chips and resistors are all surface mounted, necessary in order to keep the signal path short. it's quite a nightmare to build.
if i were to offer pcbs, the support alone, and the remote trouble shooting.... wont leave much hair on my head!
yeo
My Denon cartridge has an output of about 250u(micro) Volt and about nanovolts at quiet sections. I have to be careful, that the tiny signals can be heard, this is difficult, but possible, and necessary for a lively reproduction. Nobody would deny, that these tiny signals are audible if amplified.
Will be continued
Most of us still listen to CDs, and there are excellent dacs around, but 24bits are an improvement, and even 32bit dacs are not nonsense, the "spare bits" can be used for mixing and processing in the studio or for a loss-free digital volume control at home.
thanks for your comments. appreciate it.
yeo
I am building a preamp with EVA, Nelson Pass buffer and a selector. There will be an evaluation of EVA pre and transformer volume control. (Sorry off topic).
this dac is non-oversampling. i don't believe in upsampling.
yeo
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